If the big 3 declare bankruptcy are warranties ok?

FOX · Posted: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:06:44 Post Subject:

since theres only a couple foreign trucks you win that one haha..

However, there is not one decent american sports car that compares to its euro counter-part.

the 300??? thats a horrible vehicle (no offense) the steering is one of the sloppiest things I have ever set my hands on. The interior is cheap, suspension is far too soft for that big of a vehicle, horrible understeer and even though it has a big motor it is till slow. I havent been in the new charger but if its like the z06 it will be fast in a straight line but when you corner suck gets involved. I need to ride in one of those to get an opinion

the union is one problem. Try to get those people to work for less though, probably won't happen... Theyre shooting themselves in the foot. They need to rid of the unions and they need to pay the workers what they can afford... Now im saying that being a person that doesnt work there, knows anyone that works there or has a family sooooooo yea.....

**Doctor Feelgood** · Posted: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:07:20 Post Subject:

acruxksa · Posted: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:20:32 Post Subject:

I believe there's a cadilac and a Chevy that have taken car of the year honors this year in their respective categories. The problem is that GM in their infinite wisdom, didn't make enough of them because they are still making the best selling vehicles from the last decade. The Ford Flex looks pretty cool to, but then again I've got different taste than many. Also the Saturn Sky is quite the little sportster.

BeerCheeze · Posted: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:36:04 Post Subject:

FOX · Posted: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:59:52 Post Subject:

id do it knowing that i drive a euro at the end of the day haha Razz

also i hear on nbc (i tihnk) that theyre saying if they close a gm plant thats been around for 90 years that a glass company next door will close as well as a plastics company next door to that... then the retaurant will most likely lay off most of their employees

they said that for each gm employee let go that 8 others will be let off from other companies... thats a serious thing but the numbers to me seemed to be a bit exaggerated, sounds like a media thing to me to scare others... i see a lot of other places letting people go but 8 ppl to 1 gm rep doesnt seem right to me

BeerCheeze · Posted: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:31:44 Post Subject: An e-mail I recevied today

Puddin · Posted: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:17:31 Post Subject:

Well I sell toyotas. I am proud to drive one, hell i fell asleep at the wheel, hit a raised driveway, flew 30-35 feet, landed backwards and after paying 175 dollars , i drove it home the next morning with no problems....

Toyota is putting alot of effort into building the united states economony. They have not laid off any FULL TIME employes at any of its plants. Theres 3. Texas, indiana, and kentucky. The tundra truck is manufactured 1005 here in the states and uses 80% parts from here in the states, not to mention they are lookign to export the tundra to different countries.. Hell when was somethign exported that says made in the usa?

Also, the new VENZA commign out this month for toyota... Designed from the ground up by americans in Jersey, Built form the ground up ehre in the united states, testd for 2 years here in the states, toyota's first vehicle produced 1005 here in the united states from conceptualizing to delivery. Thats confidence.

Aslo food for thought, You know how the Big 3 say " Produced in NORTH AMERICA" With nafta, North america is Mexico and Canada... Keep that in mind when buying them Smile

Anyhow The goverment will not let ford fail, its an american institution. The goverment should let companies who have poor managment fail because thats the capitolist sociciety we live in and someone who can make money will step up and do so.

But we will see. Goverment bailouts seems to look red to me.. but thats just me

BeerCheeze · Posted: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:56:48 Post Subject:

I really wanted to like Toyota, but it didn't want to like me. I have owned 2... a Celica , and a Truck... I could barely keep them own the road, and couldn't afford the repairs anymore.

Now... on the flip side of that my Dad could probably buy any Toyota off the lot, drive it over a cliff, around the world 400 times, and put a .50 cal through the engine block and it would STILL be going.

Honestly I can say the luck I have had with GM products has been fantastic! I have been treated awesome by every dealer/service center I have dealt with. No so with Ford... horrible horrible experience with a Ford dealer, and not such a good experience with a Ford product. And the 1 and only Dodge I have, or will ever own..... BAHHH!!! *SPIT*SPIT*SPIT*

acruxksa · Posted: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:35:16 Post Subject:

I'd be driving a crew cab duramax today if the dealers were even close to reasonable. I began looking last summer. All I wanted was a standard, no options Duramax 4x4 1 ton and found several that we're along the lines of what I wanted. The problem was the dealerships wouldn't "deal" I offered $1500 over invoice and was laughed at by the local dealerships (They wanted $40,000). The dealership down in Idaho wanted what amounted to $2500 over invoice ($38500). This was for what amounted to a fleet vehicle with no power locks or windows and a simple AM/FM radio. That's how I like my trucks, plain and simple. My research showed invoice to be approx. $35500 give or take $500. In the end I decided to get a used truck and ended up buying my new Toyota FJ Cruiser at $1000 over invoice locally. Guess the Chevy and GM guys aren't laughing anymore. Perhaps if they weren't trying to fleece every customer that came along they would sell more vehicles. That's more of a dealership issue than a manufacturer issue though.

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