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PostPosted: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:19:34    Post Subject: Red hat (CentOS) HTPC Shells? Reply with quote View Single Post

Anyone know of a good one? I tried a few Linux distributions based around MythTV, but didn't really like the limitations.

My Mini-ITX system now has a full install of CentOS 4.x and I'd like to modify that for use with a nice HTPC interface.

Suggestions? Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:39:59    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

I won't pretend to know anything about ITX, HTPC, or MythTV, but if you ever want to play any multimedia requiring MPEG libraries, God help you.

I'd use Fedora or CentOS more often at home if it did not have that MPEG disabled RedHat crap on it. It's so hard to get the right libraries, and I gave up in the process. If you want the truly best multimedia or performance Linux distribution, consider Gentoo, but it isn't for the faint of heart.

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PostPosted: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:10:23    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

Real answer? HTPC = Windows. Linux is for those who really want to work, and fight, and struggle for something that probably won't end up meeting your needs.

Sorry.... *nix is a great server OS, it's not a good desktop OS in my experience.
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PostPosted: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:31:31    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

There are some nice, dedicated Linux HTPC distributions... like KnoppMyth, or EPIA M specific - http://linpvr.org/. They work very well, but I don't want to be limited to HTPC and want to be able to launch some other apps from a standard desktop distribution.

And from what I have seen / used... It is a very nice desktop OS. All the usual office type apps, e-mail, web, graphical, multimedia apps... as well as tons of other things I don't use... All as a part of the base installation.
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PostPosted: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:58:50    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

Yeah, gotta love linux Smile. It has most things Windows has like MS Office -> OpenOffice.org, Winamp -> Xmms, WMP -> Xine. And the kernel is much more superior because it's able to be configured by the user and has a kernel rate of 1 clock cycle (although default is 2.5), where Win XP is only 8 cycles.

KDE looks way cooler than anything Windowsblinds can do, too...and it's free!

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PostPosted: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:11:32    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

Blue|Fusion wrote:
Yeah, gotta love linux Smile. It has most things Windows has like MS Office -> OpenOffice.org, Winamp -> Xmms, WMP -> Xine. And the kernel is much more superior because it's able to be configured by the user and has a kernel rate of 1 clock cycle (although default is 2.5), where Win XP is only 8 cycles.

KDE looks way cooler than anything Windowsblinds can do, too...and it's free!


It's been my experience (and yes I am running some versions of Linux as a desktop os, because I need it on a laptop that I can run nessus on for running security evaluations), that Linux is much more clunky, and just plain hard to manage on a desktop OS. I don't really care for KDE at all.

However, I have been hearing some REALLY great things about the new MAC OS, and it's based on BSD.

Of course I see things a little different... "And the kernel is much more superior because it's able to be configured by the user " to me is NOT a good thing for a desktop OS. Have you ever dealt with end users?? Windows is too complex for them, MAC is too complex for them... hell a pen and paper is too complex for them! Techies... whole different story.
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PostPosted: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:47:52    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

Mac OS X is based on different parts of Linux and UNIX, but really watered down into a nice GUI (Although I love the MAC GUI look, I can't get used to single button mouses Razz).

Gentoo, Debian, and Slackware are the harder distributions of Linux to maintain in that they use different methods of installing programs. They use a BSD-like Portage system as opposed to the RPM packages. Portage, unlike RPMs, have to compile on the PC itself, which takes a long time compared to that of RPMs which pretty much just copy files and do basic commands to get things working. And if you do use an RPM distro (i.e. RedHat/Fedora, Mandrivia, etc.) it's relative;y easy to find the RPMs you need for a program, and not too hard to resolve dependencies.

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Of course I see things a little different... "And the kernel is much more superior because it's able to be configured by the user " to me is NOT a good thing for a desktop OS. Have you ever dealt with end users??


That's one of those POV pro/con things. I see it as a great thing so I can compile the drivers I need right into the kernel or kernel modules, but like you said, some people are out there asking "where's popcorn?!" when they here kernel. I suppose this, and stuff similarly complex are the reasons so many people stay away from Linux. That and the lack of game support from the major developers Sad.

But this is getting way off topic anyway. Bruin, you wanted something not so limited to MythTV, so I say choose an ordinary distribition and just not install the unecessary packages. But again, if MythTV requires any MPEG libraries, it will not work on any Red Hat based stuff (including CentOS). If you're up for the challenge, go Gentoo. I just reinstalled it on this PC over the weekend (yes, it does take a while to compile everything), but once you set it all up, it is easy to keep it up to date and install/remove anything you need.

Out of curiosity, I just checked if it's available in the Portage, and MythTV can be compiled via emerge (which makes it alot easier):
Quote:
rich@area51 ~ $ emerge --search mythtv

Searching...
[ Results for search key : mythtv ]
[ Applications found : 2 ]

* media-tv/mythtv
Latest version available: 0.18.1-r1
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of downloaded files: 8,651 kB
Homepage: http://www.mythtv.org/
Description: Homebrew PVR project
License: GPL-2

* x11-themes/mythtv-themes
Latest version available: 0.18
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of downloaded files: 15,257 kB
Homepage: http://www.mythtv.org/
Description: A collection of themes for the MythTV project.
License: GPL-2
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PostPosted: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:40:37    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

I went to Google to see what they thought about a Red Hat HTPC... Laughing

First result... This thread!

http://www.google.com/search?q=redhat+htpc

What is emerge? Can I automate install on my existing install of CentOS?

And what is the deal with MPEG? I see no mention of that limitation in Myth TV being used on Red Hat.
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PostPosted: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:10:36    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

BB,
You should be able to find a redhat based intall of MythTV. My myth box was based on FC4 and Here is the HowTo that I used. The HowTo uses the "yum" update manager which should also be available for CentOS.

RedHat chose to leave the mpeg codecs out of its free versions. It's not really a big deal though, there are plenty of howto's and info pages on the subject that will give you ways/options to play mpeg files.

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PostPosted: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:12:58    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

acruxksa wrote:
there are plenty of howto's and info pages on the subject that will give you ways/options to play mpeg files.


Hmm, can you give me a link? I never found one that worked for me (even at fedorfaq for fedoraforums).

And BB, like acruxksa, Red Hat based distros use up2date or yum just like your server. up2date packagename or yum packagename will install the package + dependencies (if they are available on the configured repositories). emerge in Gentoo is, in essence, the same thing. The main difference is that yum/up2date use RPM packages whereas emerge gets "ebiuld" files to determine a package's dependencies and what to download, then downloads the actual sources of the program, them compiles it locally. It makes for more stability and performance being compiled locally, however some things can take a lot longer to install (OpenOffice.Org, for example, took some 5 hours to compile on a 3.2GHz P-D). But OO.o 2.0.1 opens up faster in Gentoo than any other Linux distro and Windows I have/had it installed (and not only OO.o).

EDIT:
I'm not sure of which repos you have setup yet (if any other than the default), but here's where you can get the necessary mythv RPMs for RHEL4 (CentOS4, too):
http://atrpms.net/dist/el4/mythtv/
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