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PostPosted: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:31:43    Post Subject: Reply with quote

dadx2mj wrote:
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It would/will take a generation of cooperation (at a level unseen today) to make the changes needed to fix the current short term/what's in it for me, thinking in the US political system.
One would have thought 9/11 would have been the kind of event (like pearl harbor) that forced all party's to put aside, relatively unimportant minor goals and squabbles, and bring great national and international bonding and effort for change (similar to WWII) and at first it did, but that chance has been squandered, gutted, and burned by the Bush administration


I have to call you on that statement. When 9/11 happened everyone and I do mean EVERYONE got behind Bush and his plans. He had the highest approval rating ever of any President. Everyone including Kerry backed and agreed with his plan. Now here we are and things have not gone as we wanted, they never have and probably never will. So now Kerry and all his lefty followers are pointing the finger and wanting to make Bush take all the blame but when the decision was made and when it was a popular one they were right there behind him agreeing with him. So in my eyes they share in as much as the blame as Bush and his administration because they backed and voted in approval of it then. Talk about a two faced flip flopping....


True everyone agreed that something had to be done about Al Quad, so we went to Afghanistan, so far so good, fought hard and were in the process of cleaning up when Bush (et al) decided to shift to Iraq.
first reason stated "he tried to kill my daddy"
that didn't fly so after a few weeks "evidence" of a WMD program began to surface, rushed to congress and they said try the UN, after the UN didn't bite, more "evidence" surfaced and congress (foolishly) swallowed the bait and authorized action, back to the UN, it still didn't fly, and bush said 'Go, go go' Now doubts about the evidence started to surface, but we when anyway, while the buildup was under way, One by one major allies were publicly ridiculed for not diving in head first with us, US citizens and congresspersons who questioned the sudden need to ignore the UN and go to war, were ridiculed and called "unpatriotic" and soft on terror. and in retrospect They were right!
Yes, by 9/12 we had the sympathy and support of the most of the world and if used wisely , we could have acomplished alot, but bit by bit Bush pushed back the advise of friends and partners throughout the world, Ignored new evidence that refuted the old, and pushed ahead, and now instead of 98% support he's in the 40% range, not flip-flopping, wiseing up.

Even within his own party the concern about Bush's actions have gone from doubt to opposition.

Scott McConnell, executive editor of The American Conservative magazine
wrote last week "Bush has behaved like a caricature of what a right-wing president is supposed to be, and his continuation in office will discredit any sort of conservatism for generations........During the campaign, few have paid attention to how much the Bush presidency has degraded the image of the United States in the world.....These sentiments mean that as long as Bush is president, we have no real allies in the world, no friends to help us dig out from the Iraq quagmire. " and much more. In fact this right wing flag bearer has now publicly endorsed Kerry, not because they agree on much, but because he realises Kerry's worst day will damage America less than george Bush's best one. (interesting, well written editorial, worth reading)
dadx2mj I know it's hard to change your mind in this politically polorized time, but think carefully about your vote, this isn't about Republicians or Democrats anymore, this is about freeing America from the mistake that George W Bush represents. I won't call you a flip-flopper, and I'll kick NA's a$$ if she does.
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