And here's a little clarification on the EULA, http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp

If you care to read. It's honest, while spun a little, still gives the truth. Of course Vista's main goal is to stop people from stealing their software. No it's not free, no it's not open, yes it's supported, yes you can call someone and get help (quality of that help is of course open for debate).

Another thing is I just also don't understand this "I want everything free" mentality. You don't want to pay for things, but you want to make a six figure income. How in the #$%* does that work??? I buy my MS software, and I even buy my Linux software (my work laptop is dual boot windows & Suse. I have the Suse box sitting on my desk) when I use it for real. And have you ever seen the pricing of the Suse & Red hat support versions? Ouch. Windows is cheap compared.

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So I'm subjective. I bet Bill never wrote an article about Linux without comparing it to Windows.

You are absolutely kidding right? Windows was around before Linux was even an itch in Linus Torvalds pants.

Also XP & Vista are not build from the 95 kernel (yea some is in there I'm sure), they are built from the NT/200 kernel.

And the NT kernel is still branched off of the 95 kernel.

And what does Windows being around before Linux have to do with anything? And I'm not even trying to be so much pro-Linux here....just anti-Vista because I am extremely fed up with the hype Vista is recieving whereas it offers only a few realistic advances over XP.
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Blue|Fusion wrote:

And the NT kernel is still branched off of the 95 kernel. And what does Windows being around before Linux have to do with anything? And I'm not even trying to be so much pro-Linux here....just anti-Vista because I am extremely fed up with the hype Vista is recieving whereas it offers only a few realistic advances over XP.

Dude... you need to spend more time researching stuff. NT is not a branch of 95. Not even close.

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Windows NT 3.1, 94-03-01 is Microsoft's platform of choice for high-end systems. It is intended for use in network servers, workstations and software development machines; it will not replace Windows for DOS. While Windows NT's user interface is very similar to that of Windows 3.1, it is based on an entirely new operating system kernel. Windows NT 3.5, 94-04-12 provides OLE 2.0, improved performance and reduced memory requirements. It was released in September 1994. Windows NT 3.5 Workstation replaces Windows NT 3.1, while Windows NT 3.5 Server replaces the Windows NT 3.1 Advanced Server. Windows NT 4.0, ("Cairo") 94-03-15 Microsoft's project for object-oriented Windows, and a successor to the "Daytona" release of Windows NT.

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Windows 95, released in August of 1995. A 32-bit system providing full pre-emptive multitasking, advanced file systems, threading, networking and more. Includes MS-DOS 7.0, but takes over from DOS completely after starting. Also includes a completely revised user interface.

The Windows NT line was built completely different than the Windows line. Windows NT is closer to OS/2 than Windows 1.x/2.x/3.x/95/98. Windows NT is the entire OS, while 95/98 are actually built on top of "DOS" . With NT you NEVER boot to "DOS" vs Win 9x you started in DOS, then the GUI took over. These are two completely different architectures, and the core of the kernel is not even close to the same.

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Interesting debate between BF and EC...

About a month ago my sister asked me if I knew anything about new windows...she said she wants it.
I ask why is that?
She says "because it looks cool"
Then I fall on the floor in laughter. When I dried my eyes I told her there is no way in hell that should would be using vista anytime soon. I told her that her Emachine will never run it [it bearly runs xp, intel p4 with int/video and 256ram] besides the fact she doesn't have $300 for the new OS.

on a side note, I saw on a torrent site they already have a vista activation crack. does MS really think this version of windows will be anti-pirateable? there hasn't been a version of windows that hasn't been cracked within a very short period of time after release.

Hey, if you get that acti-crack - be sure to send it my way so I can play with it.

I'm still holding true to XP Pro, but I might play with Vista once I build my new machine (waiting for something to happen in the market).

Just search around...I forget which site it was on.

There is no doubt that Vista has a lot of bloat and is rife with security holes, but that is exactly what people said about XP when it came out. At that time they were comparing it to windows 2K. Give it a year for micro$oft to work out the major bugs and for the average computer to nearly double in speed/power/ram....etc. and this discussion will again be moot.

Linux is great and I use it on occasion, but there are still times when Windows is the only game in town. Games and Bluetooth are pretty much the only reasons why I use Windows on my laptop. Coincidentally those are both reasons I ended up wiping vista off my laptop last week and going back to XP MCE. I use bluetooth to stream mp3's to my home stereo and Vista wasn't able to do that. Also, Wow didn't run very well in Vista.
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A quick hijack...

What do you use to receive the bluetooth signal at the home receiver Acruxksa???

Now back to the thread...

EC, thanks for the clarification on the NT stuff...I forgot about the OS/2 stuff and it does ring a bell reading that somewhere on Wikipedia.

Also, referring to one of your earlier posts that I missed, EC, it's not that I want everything free, but it's that I feel the features offered do not warrant the price. I pay to use Red Hat Enterprise 4 on my servers, and I do so without any fuss because I feel it's worth it (others may disagree, but that's their choice). It offers performance, security, the features I need along with Enterprise support and security testing on each package update. Sure Microsoft does that, too, but if you look at the numbers, Microsoft can lower their price by a lot and still make profit after paying their employees.

All that aside, if you want to know why I am such a Linux fanboi, it's because I resent the fact that Microsoft is monopolizing the indistry, inflating prices, and having too much influence on the PC consumer. And that's my $0.32
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