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PostPosted: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:37:13    Post Subject: safety warning about compressed air ! Reply with quote View Single Post

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/dustoff.asp
First IM going to tell you a little about me and my family. My name is Jeff. I am a Police Officer for a city which is known nationwide for its crime rate. We have a lot of gangs and drugs. At one point we were # 2 in the nation in homicides per capita. I also have a police K-9 named Thor. He was certified in drugs and general duty. He retired at 3 years old because he was shot in the line of duty. He lives with us now and I still train with him because he likes it. I always liked the fact that there was no way to bring drugs into my house. Thor wouldn't allow it. He would tell on you. The reason I say this is so you understand that I know about drugs. I have taught in schools about drugs. My wife asks all our kids at least once a week if they used any drugs. Makes them promise they wont.

I like building computers occasionally and started building a new one in February 2005. I also was working on some of my older computers. They were full of dust so on one of my trips to the computer store I bought a 3 pack of DUST OFF. Dust Off is a can of compressed air to blow dust off a computer. A few weeks later when I went to use them they were all used. I talked to my kids and my 2 sons both said they had used them on their computer and messing around with them. I yelled at them for wasting the 10 dollars I paid for them. On February 28 I went back to the computer store. They didn't have the 3 pack which I had bought on sale so I bought a single jumbo can of Dust Off. I went home and set it down beside my computer.

On March 1st I left for work at 10 PM. At 11 PM my wife went down and kissed Kyle goodnight. At 530 am the next morning Kathy went downstairs to wake Kyle up for school, before she left for work. He was sitting up in bed with his legs crossed and his head leaning over. She called to him a few times to get up. He didn't move. He would sometimes tease her like this and pretend he fell back asleep. He was never easy to get up. She went in and shook his arm. He fell over. He was pale white and had the straw from the Dust Off can coming out of his mouth. He had the new can of Dust Off in his hands. Kyle was dead.

I am a police officer and I had never heard of this. My wife is a nurse and she had never heard of this. We later found out from the coroner, after the autopsy, that only the propellant from the can of Dust off was in his system. No other drugs. Kyle had died between midnight and 1 Am.

I found out that using Dust Off is being done mostly by kids ages 9 through 15. They even have a name for it. It's called dusting. A take off from the Dust Off name. It gives them a slight high for about 10 seconds. It makes them dizzy. A boy who lives down the street from us showed Kyle how to do this about a month before. Kyle showed his best friend. Told him it was cool and it couldn't hurt you. Its just compressed air. It cant hurt you. His best friend said no.

Kyle's death

Kyle was wrong. It's not just compressed air. It also contains a propellant. I think its R2. Its a refrigerant like what is used in your refrigerator. It is a heavy gas. Heavier than air. When you inhale it, it fills your lungs and keeps the good air, with oxygen, out. That's why you feel dizzy, buzzed. It decreases the oxygen to your brain, to your heart. Kyle was right. It cant hurt you. IT KILLS YOU. The horrible part about this is there is no warning. There is no level that kills you. It's not cumulative or an overdose; it can just go randomly, terribly wrong. Roll the dice and if your number comes up you die. ITS NOT AN OVERDOSE. Its Russian roulette. You don't die later. Or not feel good and say I've had too much. You usually die as your breathing it in. If not you die within 2 seconds of finishing "the hit." That's why the straw was still in Kyle's mouth when he died. Why his eye's were still open.

The experts want to call this huffing. The kids don't believe its huffing. As adults we tend to lump many things together. But it doesn't fit here. And that's why its more accepted. There is no chemical reaction. no strong odor. It doesn't follow the huffing signals. Kyle complained a few days before he died of his tongue hurting. It probably did. The propellant causes frostbite. If I had only known.

Its easy to say hay, its my life and I'll do what I want. But it isn't. Others are always effected. This has forever changed our family's life. I have a hole in my heart and soul that can never be fixed. The pain is so immense I cant describe it. There's nowhere to run from it. I cry all the time and I don't ever cry. I do what I'm supposed to do but I don't really care. My kids are messed up. One wont talk about it. The other will only sleep in our room at night. And my wife, I cant even describe how bad she is taking this. I thought we were safe because of Thor. I thought we were safe because we knew about drugs and talked to our kids about them.

After Kyle died another story came out. A Probation Officer went to the school system next to ours to speak with a student. While there he found a student using Dust Off in the bathroom. This student told him about another student who also had some in his locker. This is a rather affluent school system. They will tell you they don't have a drug problem there. They don't even have a dare or plus program there. So rather than tell everyone about this "new" way of getting high they found, they hid it. The probation officer told the media after Kyle's death and they, the school, then admitted to it. I know that if they would have told the media and I had heard, it wouldn't have been in my house.

We need to get this out of our homes and school computer labs.

Using Dust Off isn't new and some "professionals" do know about. It just isn't talked about much, except by the kids. They know about it.

April 2nd was 1 month since Kyle died. April 5th would have been his 15th birthday. And every weekday I catch myself sitting on the living room couch at 2:30 in the afternoon and waiting to see him get off the bus. I know Kyle is in heaven but I cant help but wonder If I died and went to Hell.

Jeff
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PostPosted: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:46:08    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

Whoa...

I didn't know this stuff either. Poor timing, as I have an article with general maintenance tips using these cans. The sponsor did jump in and add a disclaimer at the end which I didn't fully understand... until now...

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PostPosted: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 00:15:32    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

wow....we dont use dustoff in ym comptuer classroom we have a compressor and it was a pain to drag dusty pc's up there to dust them but now i know that it is all worth it to keep that stuff out of our schools...thanks for the heads up...
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PostPosted: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 00:22:46    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

Read the can, they contain Triflourocloroethelyne (sp)
ITs all about the liquid inside vaporizing that produces the pressure.

If you were to measure the pressure inside the can at 100 deg F, that would be the VP or vapor pressure of that compund.

The stuff will kill, its not air.
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PostPosted: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 00:44:14    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

still way over priced -and if it go's the way i think it might the price will be going up . and you will need to be over 18 to buy it .also have to show proof . and be in locked show cases !
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PostPosted: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:41:50    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

That's scary, I would've never guessed that from compressed air. Good thing I've always been too cheap to buy it and use it on my rigs Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:05:09    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

thats jsut too much work for compressed air...just get a cheapie compressor...or blow really hard...
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PostPosted: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:50:24    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

Some places have rechargable cans, where it is actually just air. It has the same little can, but then you pump it back up manually... I think I saw one at the Compusa around here.
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PostPosted: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:50:13    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

When I was younger I used a bicycle pump. Those tall skinny manual pumps. Now I have a 3 gallon compressor in my room and a 30 (i think its thirty) gallon in the garage.
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PostPosted: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:40:33    Post Subject: Reply with quote View Single Post

Big Bruin wrote:
Some places have rechargable cans, where it is actually just air. It has the same little can, but then you pump it back up manually... I think I saw one at the Compusa around here.


I bought one of those, trust me dont waste your time. You have to pump for about 20 min to get 20seconds worth of air out of it. My kids dont seem to mind so I gave it to them for blowing the dust out of their game boy cartridges. I went with a small compressor equipped with a water trap for blowing out computers.
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